Tues 8th April: Using Wiki to Debate. EPICURE CAFE, Toronto
What’s being presented and about our speaker:
As part of the 2008 Toronto Wiki Tuesday Guest Speaker Series, Adrian Fritsch (Software Consultant and founder of debatum.org) will lead discussions at Toronto Wiki Tuesday at Epicure Cafe, Here’s Adrian’s event description:
What: Toronto Wiki Tuesdays: using Wikis to Debate
The problem:
To form a well-reasoned opinion, you need the best arguments on different sides of a debate. Wikipedia stresses neutral point of view and so make it’s content hard to contrast with your current understanding. While every wiki houses content, a method is needed to help the community express contrasting opinions.
The Debatum solution:
Debatum is a wiki with a method that guides uses to document and interconnect arguments. Examples it uses include debating controversial issues such as:
- Can computers think?
- When is a declaration of independence reasonable?
- Does God Exist?
- Should there be Net Neutrality?
Debatum overlays a methodology over the wiki to encourage the growth of disparate viewpoints to inform and persuade readers. This provides users to enrich the arguments and powerfully inform and influence others.
While Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, Debatum wants to be an interconnect of arguments, ideas, and lines of thought. While Wikipedia stresses a Neutral Point of view, Debatum’s goal is to write the best arguments of each side and include weak, yet popular arguments together with (strong) counter-arguments. Unlike Wikipedia, which accepts content only if it is written outside, Debatum seeks to mesh arguments with original thinking from participants.
Debatum’s goal is to well-thought-out opinions, rather than to facilitate “winning” debates. Debatum’s motto is “Knowledge by debate”.
Additional topics:
- We will discuss other attempts to approach online debates (wiki-based or not) and compare them to Debatum.
- We ask whether Wiki is actually the ideal format for documenting debates.
- We question whether (controversial) subjects be learned faster from a “debating construct” instead of a “plain” layout?
- We discuss whether a wiki format discourages rhetoric and ask whether this is a good thing.
After Adrian’s talk we’ll turn the conversation to the audience to discuss how, where and why Wikis are usually used in Politics and in what ways Debatum offers something new. Expect a lively discussion of the opportunities and resistance to wikis in politics.
When and Where:
6:30pm, Tuesday 8th April at 502 Queen Street West in the Front Room: http://www.theepicure.ca/event.html
Please sign up for this event at http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/444745/
Join our mailing list http://groups.google.com/group/torontowikituesday/
Who should come and why:
Interested in the topic? Got an opinion or unique use of a wiki? Or just interested to network? Come join our community.
- Parties interested in expression of contraversal or political material on wikis.
- Wikipedians responsible for promoting a neutral point of view
- Anyone who thinks that wikis are not the place to express dissent
- Technical writers responsible for documentation tasks
- Managers and leaders trying to understand the potential of wikis
- Change transformation agents using wikis to instigate organisational transparency using a wiki
- Wiki users and Wiki gardeners who improve content clarity
About Toronto Wiki Tuesdays and Blended Perspectives:
Toronto Wiki Tuesdays has been running since 2005 and has a mandate to spread the word about how a wiki can transform communication in organisations and the nature of business. Toronto Wiki Tuesdays was founded and is run by Martin Cleaver M.Sc. MBA, Head Blender of Blended Perspectives, a wiki consulting firm based in Toronto, and a Chair of WikiSym, the International Symposium on the use of Wikis.
- http://www.torontowikituesdays.com/
- http://martin.cleaver.org/blog/2008/03/03/toronto-wiki-tuesdays-march-april-and-onward-2008/
- http://martin.cleaver.org/blog/2008/03/05/wikisym2008-im-chair-for-demos-and-posters/
About our Sponsor:
April’s Toronto Wiki Tuesdays is sponsored by the Society of Internet Professsionals. See http://www.sipgroup.org/ and http://www.sipgroup.blogspot.com/
Upcoming Toronto Wiki Tuesdays
See http://www.torontowikituesdays.com for the dates and the topics for Toronto Wiki Tuesdays for the next 3 months.
April 3rd, 2008 at 9:23 pm
Adrian added:
In a nutshell, the big, (very)long-term goal of Debatum is to create a
comprehensive reference of controversial ideas and the related
knowledge. A reader should be able to quickly grasp the best arguments
of each side, and get the picture of where this debate fits in the
much larger context of the related debates and ideas.
For the short-term we want to build a critical mass of reference
articles/debates to serve as the model, and at the same time, refine a
set of guiding principles in building Debatum. At the meeting I will
present my initial vision of article’s layout - with a few examples,
and my initial set of principles.
One of the most difficult question I could receive is: “why not do
this in Wikipedia?”, but I think I have some good answers to that.
Looking forward to other difficult questions and… arguments from
you…
April 4th, 2008 at 11:51 am
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April 6th, 2008 at 10:07 am
Hi All –
There’s a kind of Wiki on the web with a new twist — it supports *executable* English content.
What does that mean, you may well ask.
Right. You can use a browser to write and run applications, in the form of business rules in open vocabulary, executable English. (The syntax is largely open too.)
As befits a Wiki, shared use is *free*. Just point a browser to reengineeringllc.com .
(Martin — would folks be interested in a Tuesday meeting around this topic?)
Apologies to folks who have seen this before. Thanks for comments — on this blog, or to internet.business.logic@gmail.com .